Comments on: Who will win the race of mobile application runtimes? http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes Distilling market noise into market sense. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:37:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Aida Kreuzfahrt http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-70100 Aida Kreuzfahrt Wed, 06 Apr 2011 07:47:49 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-70100 So far it looks like Nokia will win the competition but I think Apple is pretty close. Lets see what 2011 will bring and what new developments will happen. So far it looks like Nokia will win the competition but I think Apple is pretty close. Lets see what 2011 will bring and what new developments will happen.

]]> By: Rapid Prototyping http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-62600 Rapid Prototyping Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:13:49 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-62600 well it be good luck for all those contestant in that competition well it be good luck for all those contestant in that competition

]]> By: Andreas Constantinou http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61082 Andreas Constantinou Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:41:15 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61082 Hi Erik, Interesting factoid about jQuery being adopted by .NET and Web Runtime. I agree re: JVM being used for system components. MS CLR: not sure how long can Microsoft continue supporting .NET CF on mobile.. it would be interesting to see stats on .NET vs native apps that have been written for Windows Mobile, but my guess would be that most developers go for native. Andreas Hi Erik,

Interesting factoid about jQuery being adopted by .NET and Web Runtime. I agree re: JVM being used for system components. MS CLR: not sure how long can Microsoft continue supporting .NET CF on mobile.. it would be interesting to see stats on .NET vs native apps that have been written for Windows Mobile, but my guess would be that most developers go for native.

Andreas

]]> By: Erik http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61078 Erik Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:33:37 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61078 JavaScript engine fragmentation might not be such a big issue. As Jon Ferraiolo from OpenAJAX pointed out to me, these days AJAX frameworks take (most of) the pain out of developing for different browsers (quirks). Thus let the framework vendors/providers take the pain. In fact, about a year ago in an internal report I predicted the bundling of something like JScript or Prototype on the phone - then in September this came along: <a href="http://jquery.com/blog/2008/09/28/jquery-microsoft-nokia/" rel="nofollow">http://jquery.com/blog/2008/09/28/jquery-microsof...</a> I agree that JavaScript will be mainly deployed as a component of WebKit and FL; but that other runtimes will be used for system components (not apps). This may end up as a couple of common runtimes (e.g. JVM or MS CLR) with various different language bindings. JavaScript engine fragmentation might not be such a big issue. As Jon Ferraiolo from OpenAJAX pointed out to me, these days AJAX frameworks take (most of) the pain out of developing for different browsers (quirks). Thus let the framework vendors/providers take the pain.

In fact, about a year ago in an internal report I predicted the bundling of something like JScript or Prototype on the phone – then in September this came along: http://jquery.com/blog/2008/09/28/jquery-microsof…

I agree that JavaScript will be mainly deployed as a component of WebKit and FL; but that other runtimes will be used for system components (not apps). This may end up as a couple of common runtimes (e.g. JVM or MS CLR) with various different language bindings.

]]> By: Andreas Constantinou http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61053 Andreas Constantinou Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:17:25 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61053 Hi Erik, JavaScript engine fragmentation is a new problem and I wonder how Apple will react. The Google fork is unsettling the equilibrium of power around WebKit code development. As for Javascript winning, I don't see Javascript deployed as a standalone engine far beyond WebKit and Flash Lite. So I would consider FL and WebKit as the main two contenders which encompass a Javascript interpreter. So I agree that Javascript will be most widely deployed, but not as a standalone runtime, rather as a component of WebKit and FL. - Andreas - Andreas Hi Erik,

JavaScript engine fragmentation is a new problem and I wonder how Apple will react. The Google fork is unsettling the equilibrium of power around WebKit code development.

As for Javascript winning, I don't see Javascript deployed as a standalone engine far beyond WebKit and Flash Lite. So I would consider FL and WebKit as the main two contenders which encompass a Javascript interpreter. So I agree that Javascript will be most widely deployed, but not as a standalone runtime, rather as a component of WebKit and FL.

- Andreas

- Andreas

]]> By: Erik http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61047 Erik Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:30:32 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61047 Oops! I meant to say that I was impressed by Sean Moss-Pultz from OpenMoko, talking at OSiM Berlin about replacing C/C++ middleware with Python! Oops! I meant to say that I was impressed by Sean Moss-Pultz from OpenMoko, talking at OSiM Berlin about replacing C/C++ middleware with Python!

]]> By: Erik http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61046 Erik Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:29:29 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61046 Instead of WebKit as the winner, I've been thinking it's actually AJAX, thus WebKit's JavaScript engine is just one of various JavaScript engines (in fact Google used a different one for Chrome). We'll have to see if multiple [open source] JavaScript engines can survive. However I believe that actually AJAX is the winner for fast delivery of services/apps (and thus fast-changing apps), however for middleware/servers/daemons that are not written in C/C++, it's more subtle. I was impressed by Sean Moss-Pultz OpenMoko replacing C/C++ with Python. <a href="http://www.iconocast.com/EB000000000000027/S5/News3.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.iconocast.com/EB000000000000027/S5/New...</a> Instead of WebKit as the winner, I've been thinking it's actually AJAX, thus WebKit's JavaScript engine is just one of various JavaScript engines (in fact Google used a different one for Chrome). We'll have to see if multiple [open source] JavaScript engines can survive.

However I believe that actually AJAX is the winner for fast delivery of services/apps (and thus fast-changing apps), however for middleware/servers/daemons that are not written in C/C++, it's more subtle. I was impressed by Sean Moss-Pultz OpenMoko replacing C/C++ with Python.

http://www.iconocast.com/EB000000000000027/S5/New…

]]> By: Andreas Constantinou http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61024 Andreas Constantinou Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:30:46 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61024 Hi Stormy, Technically I would define a runtime as an application environment that manages the application lifecycle, communication and memory use (in the traditional sense of a Java VM or Microsoft COM). In this sense Qt, Flash Lite, Java, Python and Silverlight fit well within the runtime category. Lua is on the borderline of this definition because it is a blueprint for a runtime implementation. GTK+ is a set of graphical libraries and primitives, so it doesn't manage application lifecycle as far as I know. Moblin is a complete stack including OpenedHand graphics libraries and its own application framework - so in this sense Moblin is a superset of an application runtime. Andreas Hi Stormy,

Technically I would define a runtime as an application environment that manages the application lifecycle, communication and memory use (in the traditional sense of a Java VM or Microsoft COM). In this sense Qt, Flash Lite, Java, Python and Silverlight fit well within the runtime category. Lua is on the borderline of this definition because it is a blueprint for a runtime implementation. GTK+ is a set of graphical libraries and primitives, so it doesn't manage application lifecycle as far as I know. Moblin is a complete stack including OpenedHand graphics libraries and its own application framework – so in this sense Moblin is a superset of an application runtime.

Andreas

]]> By: Stormy http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-61013 Stormy Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:58:55 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-61013 Andreas, Thanks for the detailed post with tables and graphics. I always enjoy reading them. I was confused by your definition of "runtime". I wouldn't have put Qt, Webkit and Python in the same category. Would you also include GTK+ and Moblin your runtime category? Or are they separate? Thanks, Stormy Andreas,

Thanks for the detailed post with tables and graphics. I always enjoy reading them.

I was confused by your definition of "runtime". I wouldn't have put Qt, Webkit and Python in the same category. Would you also include GTK+ and Moblin your runtime category? Or are they separate?

Thanks,

Stormy

]]> By: Andreas Constantinou http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/10/who-will-win-the-race-of-mobile-application-runtimes/comment-page-1/#comment-60931 Andreas Constantinou Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:08:23 +0000 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/?p=368#comment-60931 Hi Mark, Following Nokia's announcement of Qt on S60 (and across the Nokia device portfolio) I have up'ed our previous estimate of Qt in-ROM embeds for 2009 to 50M handsets. You make a fair point on the Java ME and Flash Lite handicaps - and WebKit is perhaps the revelation of 2008, evolving from a new kid on the block to stardom, thanks to Nokia's commitment for deploying WebKit on S40 and Symbian Foundation code. Andreas Hi Mark,

Following Nokia's announcement of Qt on S60 (and across the Nokia device portfolio) I have up'ed our previous estimate of Qt in-ROM embeds for 2009 to 50M handsets.

You make a fair point on the Java ME and Flash Lite handicaps – and WebKit is perhaps the revelation of 2008, evolving from a new kid on the block to stardom, thanks to Nokia's commitment for deploying WebKit on S40 and Symbian Foundation code.

Andreas

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