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	<title>Comments on: The 100 million club: the bigger picture of mobile software</title>
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		<title>By: Andreas Constantinou</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-64931</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Constantinou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane, 
 
Teleca discontinued support for the Obigo browser around April 2007. They are still shipping the browser for legacy OEM contracts, but the browser is no longer developed or supported by Teleca. 
 
Andreas </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane,</p>
<p>Teleca discontinued support for the Obigo browser around April 2007. They are still shipping the browser for legacy OEM contracts, but the browser is no longer developed or supported by Teleca.</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-64886</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andreas, 
i didn&#039;t quite catch note 3 about obigo browser, what does the &quot;discontinued&quot; mean? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andreas,</p>
<p>i didn&#039;t quite catch note 3 about obigo browser, what does the &quot;discontinued&quot; mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Constantinou</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-63005</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Constantinou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter, 
 
Funambol is NOT pre-installed on 2B handsets. They are probably claiming compatibility of MobileWe with two billion handsets in the installed base. 
 
Andreas </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>Funambol is NOT pre-installed on 2B handsets. They are probably claiming compatibility of MobileWe with two billion handsets in the installed base.</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-62974</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.funambol.com/solutions/capabilities.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.funambol.com/solutions/capabilities.ph...&lt;/a&gt; says &quot;Funambol is the leading provider of open source MobileWe for two billion handsets.&quot; 
 
Is the Funambol 2B handsets claim incorrect? If not then why is Funambol not on your list? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.funambol.com/solutions/capabilities.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.funambol.com/solutions/capabilities.ph&#8230;</a> says &quot;Funambol is the leading provider of open source MobileWe for two billion handsets.&quot;</p>
<p>Is the Funambol 2B handsets claim incorrect? If not then why is Funambol not on your list?</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Constantinou</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-61836</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Constantinou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark, 
 
We benchmark devices shipped rather than the installed base and it&#039;s interesting that Strategy Analytics forecast 922m devices shipped by end 2008, which would seem a pessimistic estimate based on the end-07 (450M) and end-1H08 (723M) shipments of Flash Lite given by Adobe. 
 
In any case, Flash Lite is becoming a de facto standard, second only to Java ME&#039;s penetration. What is very interesting is that Adobe now allows app developers to package an auto installer for FL with their apps for Symbian and WinMo environments - previously this was only possible on BREW. 
 
The impact will be small since S60 3rd Edition already includes FL and WinMo is small volumes - but the distribution model is very promising if extended to other app environments or OEMs. 
 
Andreas </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>We benchmark devices shipped rather than the installed base and it&#039;s interesting that Strategy Analytics forecast 922m devices shipped by end 2008, which would seem a pessimistic estimate based on the end-07 (450M) and end-1H08 (723M) shipments of Flash Lite given by Adobe.</p>
<p>In any case, Flash Lite is becoming a de facto standard, second only to Java ME&#039;s penetration. What is very interesting is that Adobe now allows app developers to package an auto installer for FL with their apps for Symbian and WinMo environments &#8211; previously this was only possible on BREW.</p>
<p>The impact will be small since S60 3rd Edition already includes FL and WinMo is small volumes &#8211; but the distribution model is very promising if extended to other app environments or OEMs.</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Doherty</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-61817</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Doherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! 
 
Strategy Analytics reported that Flash Lite has a current installed base of 689m devices.  That is devices that aren&#039;t just using flash for their UI currently in the market. 
 
We have also just announced the Flash Lite Distributable Player beta, and with this product you can now auto-update your Flash player on demand.  Right now we are live in US/Italy/Spain and we&#039;ll expand this in short order.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adobe.com/go/distribute&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.adobe.com/go/distribute&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Its a very exciting time for us and of course much will change later in 2009 when we release Flash 10 and AIR to our partners. 
 
Mark Doherty 
Adobe - Mobile and Devices </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>Strategy Analytics reported that Flash Lite has a current installed base of 689m devices.  That is devices that aren&#039;t just using flash for their UI currently in the market.</p>
<p>We have also just announced the Flash Lite Distributable Player beta, and with this product you can now auto-update your Flash player on demand.  Right now we are live in US/Italy/Spain and we&#039;ll expand this in short order.<br />
  <a href="http://www.adobe.com/go/distribute" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/go/distribute</a>  </p>
<p>Its a very exciting time for us and of course much will change later in 2009 when we release Flash 10 and AIR to our partners.</p>
<p>Mark Doherty</p>
<p>Adobe &#8211; Mobile and Devices</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Constantinou</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-61419</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Constantinou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin - interesting to hear about the bigger picture of SVG deployments. Thanks for sharing. 
 
cb - thanks for bringing this to our attention. We &#039;ll contact HI Corp for the next edition of the 100 million club. 
 
Andreas </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin &#8211; interesting to hear about the bigger picture of SVG deployments. Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>cb &#8211; thanks for bringing this to our attention. We &#039;ll contact HI Corp for the next edition of the 100 million club.</p>
<p>Andreas</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-61316</link>
		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Corporation&#039;s - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hicorp.co.jp/english/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hicorp.co.jp/english/&lt;/a&gt; - mascot capsule 3d engine is included on pretty much every SonyEricsson handset for the last 5 years, and on most Japanese handsets. So, I would think they qualify for the 100 million club. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Corporation&#039;s &#8211; <a href="http://www.hicorp.co.jp/english/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hicorp.co.jp/english/</a> &#8211; mascot capsule 3d engine is included on pretty much every SonyEricsson handset for the last 5 years, and on most Japanese handsets. So, I would think they qualify for the 100 million club.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Berjon</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-61305</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Berjon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andreas, 
 
the SVG standard on its own does not expose device APIs, but implementations of it ship with APIs. Typical examples would JSR-226 implementations that expose both SVG and the other Java APIs, or the cases in which SVG is used for the phone&#039;s UI and in which Javascript has access to the device APIs. I understand where you&#039;re coming from though, this information is hardly well-known. 
 
Also you would have to count Access and Opera at the least, plus WebKit which ships with SVG in some devices (notably the iPhone, though that&#039;s not such a huge volume). A number of others (e.g. RIM) also have some SVG support of their own, though not necessarily the latest. 
 
All in all, you sure are right that it&#039;s a confusing picture :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andreas,</p>
<p>the SVG standard on its own does not expose device APIs, but implementations of it ship with APIs. Typical examples would JSR-226 implementations that expose both SVG and the other Java APIs, or the cases in which SVG is used for the phone&#039;s UI and in which Javascript has access to the device APIs. I understand where you&#039;re coming from though, this information is hardly well-known.</p>
<p>Also you would have to count Access and Opera at the least, plus WebKit which ships with SVG in some devices (notably the iPhone, though that&#039;s not such a huge volume). A number of others (e.g. RIM) also have some SVG support of their own, though not necessarily the latest.</p>
<p>All in all, you sure are right that it&#039;s a confusing picture <img src='http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stelt</title>
		<link>http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2008/11/the-100-million-club-the-bigger-picture-of-mobile-software/comment-page-1/#comment-61300</link>
		<dc:creator>stelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you mean 600 million :-) 
 
But keep counting as at least ACCESS Netfront and Opera Mobile also have SVG support. 
 
Anybody else know of SVG support in others listed? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you mean 600 million <img src='http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But keep counting as at least ACCESS Netfront and Opera Mobile also have SVG support.</p>
<p>Anybody else know of SVG support in others listed?</p>
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